Ronald McAfee Posted November 4 Posted November 4 My new project that I have a couple questions about. The seats are not the same as I see in other T24's?? The fuel tank is in the rear (possible change made with civilian hard top)?? Only partial tag since was torn. Possibility of getting grousers? Has 20" on it now, are 15" easier to find? Ron M Quote
Patrick Tipton Posted November 4 Posted November 4 I know that the Norwegians, among other things, moved gas tanks to the rear and added another crew seat in the front. They made a cool little engine cover too. I am not familiar with those seats... I see other Norwegian stretcher/top mods so I would say that is a Norwegian modified Weasel. Have you tried to get an ordnance number off of that data plate? How about trying to carefully sand the area behind the driver seat to get the Registration Number? I would bet it is still there. There is a decent possibility that your Weasel is an early M29 too....the easiest tell tale is where the spot light mounting pin is...if on the center bulkhead behind the driver, T24, if in the rear driver corner...early M29. I would stick with the 20" tracks. More were made and it appears that we will soon be able to purchase new bands. There are tracks floating around for not terrible money. I would put the word out...you can find a busted set of tracks and then go thru the fun (not) process of removing all those grousers! WOOO HOOO 🤣 Quote
OZM29C Posted November 5 Posted November 5 1 hour ago, Patrick Tipton said: Have you tried to get an ordnance number off of that data plate? How about trying to carefully sand the area behind the driver seat to get the Registration Number? I would bet it is still there. Just expanding on Patrick's @Patrick Tipton advice, here is a photo showing the whereabouts to look for that elusive USA registration number. Quote
Patrick Tipton Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Nice Jesse! TANK seats...I'll bet you can turn those into $$$ Weasel seats pretty easily! Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted November 5 Author Posted November 5 Just getting started, shut down here in north Arkansas at the moment, we got 20" of rain since Sunday, so a lot of flooding even on my hill. I know the stars are on both sides under the paint and hoped that sanding would bring out the number. Tags are all gone except the partial in the picture. This one has the bracket, mount bolts on the sides so I am almost sure it is a T24, have not seen any info that the M29's had them, could be wrong. This is my first weasel but have had a little experience on rebuilding other Vets, including a T16 universal carrier (Swedish return) and a M3A1 scout car. I will be looking for grousers as I move alone. almost all of them on these tracks are rusted thru and splitting in the center from sitting in snow in Neveda, and like most patiently waiting for the bands to start production. Looks like a correct fuel tank will also be in the works. Seats are definitely a head scratcher, these are nice and well made so will try to run down if they came off on another vehicle, don't think they are the tank seats pictured since these are bottom mount with plywood backs, they have the seat belt straps anyway. Came with another rebuilt engine that will get torn down to check everything out. Starting point will be cleaning out the pinecones and pulling older engine and trans to start on a few rust spots, overall, not bad condition. Patrick, is that a picture of the inner bulkhead behind driver seat? Ron M Quote
M29C3284 Posted November 5 Posted November 5 17 hours ago, Patrick Tipton said: I know that the Norwegians, among other things, moved gas tanks to the rear and added another crew seat in the front. They made a cool little engine cover too. I am not familiar with those seats... I see other Norwegian stretcher/top mods so I would say that is a Norwegian modified Weasel. As far as I know the norwegians never modified their weasels with a second front seat. The ones I have seen have all been Swedish, both army ones and civilian forestry service ones. The army modified ones went through a modification program, see my posts in my restoration thread, so they are all professionally made and all look the same. The civilian ones I have seen seems to have copied the army ones, but none are done the same they are all a bit different. This T24 I can say does now come from norway or Sweden, the modifications just doesn't look "right". Quote
Jesse Browning Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Those are definitely Sherman seats as in the picture I posted. Quote
Patrick Tipton Posted November 6 Posted November 6 7 hours ago, M29C3284 said: This T24 I can say does now come from norway or Sweden, the modifications just doesn't look "right". Appreciate the information. I always thought the movement of the top brackets to the outside and the addition of stretcher brackets was distinctly Norwegian.... Quote
Patrick Tipton Posted November 6 Posted November 6 8 hours ago, Ronald McAfee said: This one has the bracket, mount bolts on the sides so I am almost sure it is a T24, have not seen any info that the M29's had them, could be wrong. The first ~1000 M29's all had the bolts for the parachute brackets on the sides. Apparently, Studebaker did not change the manufacturing (ie holes & various internal braces) even after the parachute brackets were eliminated. The only way I know to tell the difference (other than tags) is the placement of the spot light mounting bracket. The T24 is behind the driver (a 3/4" pin) - the M29 is rear corner. Yes...John posted that picture...that is the bulkhead immediately behind the driver's seat....all the T24s and the first 1000 M29s and maybe some more M29s had their registration numbers there. @Jim Gilmore can be more precise. Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted November 8 Author Posted November 8 Thanks for the info guys. With the seat trail started as possible being a tank seat I went looking, and yes, these seats resemble the driver's seat in a M4 tank, the driver seat has the bottom mount just like the ones in my weasel. Looks like swap material for sure. On to cleaning out and marking what needs to be taken off. Not expecting to put the hardtop back on so that may need to go to the scrap yard. Ron M Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted December 1 Author Posted December 1 (edited) Found these numbers under 5 coats of paint of which the last one was green. Is the second number USA number? Edited December 4 by Ronald McAfee Quote
Jim Gilmore Posted December 2 Posted December 2 (edited) That is very interesting....I've never seen these numbers stamped in that location. 40122611 is the US Army registration number for the vehicle and not the ORD #. The ORD number is the serial number for the vehicle , what we now call the VIN number. This is a T-24 made under the first contract for 1,000 vehicles. The ORD # would be between 895 to 905....closest guess from my database is 900 or 901. The hull number was UST-24-827. This vehicle was delivered in white paint with black camouflage markings. Since the numbers stamped look European, it is most likely a rebuilt Weasel that was sandblasted when rebuilt and repainted OD green although it may have been done by the US Army during a rebuild program. That is why the registration number was stamped on the hull. The other numbers appear to be a stock number for the Weasel. Check the motor for the motor number....drivers side, front, just below the head. Should start with "T24-" Edited December 2 by Jim Gilmore correct typo T-15 should be T-24 2 Quote
Patrick Tipton Posted December 2 Posted December 2 22 minutes ago, Jim Gilmore said: This is a T-15 made under the first contract for 1,000 vehicles. The ORD # would be between 895 to 905....closest guess from my database is 900 or 901. This is a T-24, no? Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted December 2 Author Posted December 2 I was thinking the same thing on rebuild stamping, seen it a lot on halftrack bumpers and also on my scout car roller of all places. Will be working in the next few weeks to pull the engine and see what numbers it may have. Good to know it would have been originally white, not the fondest of painting one white, but I do believe in bringing back as original as possible. Thanks again Ron M. Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted December 2 Author Posted December 2 (edited) Meant USA not Ordinance. Edited December 4 by Ronald McAfee Delete post Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted December 2 Author Posted December 2 Crawled inside to get this number off the block. Ron M. Quote
Jim Gilmore Posted December 4 Posted December 4 (edited) Great photo....This would be the original motor for this vehicle. You can also see the original paint on the motor. This is a blue-gray color and not a full gray color that many people use for their motors. This blue-gray similar to the color used on the Ford 9N tractors (not the later 8N). Edited December 4 by Jim Gilmore added comments Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted December 4 Author Posted December 4 So, the number stamped on the block does not match the ordinance or hull number? Just want to make sure I record everything correctly. Ron M. 1 Quote
Patrick Tipton Posted December 4 Posted December 4 4 hours ago, Ronald McAfee said: So, the number stamped on the block does not match the ordinance or hull number? Just want to make sure I record everything correctly. Ron M. Correct. The hull number, engine number and ord number are all different, but the ranges should correspond. Like Jim said, that would in all likelihood be the original engine for your Weasel. COOL! Quote
Ronald McAfee Posted December 5 Author Posted December 5 Thanks to all, more reason to take it back to original, or as close to that I can. Will try to log all the activity. Ron M. Quote
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